LINDSAY BUZIAK MURDER TIMELINE
Timeline of Lindsay’s murder as per Dateline, Inspector Rob McColl and Detective-Sgt. Chris Horsley. The bulk of the clues came from Jason Zailo himself.
Jason and Lindsay went to Sauce for a late lunch. Lindsay and Jason paid the bill at Sauce at 4:24 pm. Their server knew Lindsay well. Jason went directly to SHC arriving at 4:29 pm and Lindsay is believed to have gone home to change her clothes. CO was standing outside by Jason’s vehicle when Jason left the SHC building. They left SHC together in Jason’s vehicle at 5:30 pm.
Joe DeSousa left the site at approx. 4:30 pm. Other workers left the area at around 5:00 pm. 2 witnesses saw the suspect couple walk into the cul de sac at approximately 5:30 pm. The witnesses saw Lindsay greeting the couple by the back of her car in the driveway as shown on crimestoppers. There were papers on the trunk of Lindsay’s car. The real estate lockbox was accessed at 5:29 pm. While driving Jason said to Lindsay“I’ll come meet you and I’ll be 10 – 15 minutes or so” and that’s when Lindsay said to Jason…. “okay I’ll see you in abit I gotta go the Mexicans are here”. Apparently this was Lindsay’s short hand name for her clients. Jason was seen by video surveillance leaving SHC at 5:30.
5:38 pm Jason sends Lindsay a text “just a couple of minutes away.” That text was never opened by Lindsay. According to Detective Sgt. Horsley: “the last text Jason said was I’m just a couple of minutes away”. That text was never opened by Lindsay. Dateline said this was Jason’s final text. (how could this be Jason’s final text when Jason stated on Dateline that when he was parked on Torquay he sent Lindsay a text that said “are you okay” (prior to his 6:05 pm 911 call)……..Jason received no response. So which text was the last one……..the one at 5:38 pm as per Det-Sgt. Horsley on Dateline OR the text Jason said he sent to Lindsay just prior to his call to 911 at 6:05 pm? It sounds like Horsley and Dateline support the 5:38 pm text as being the final one.)
5:38 pm to 5:41 pm police believe this is when Lindsay was murdered.
5:41 pm Lindsay’s blackberry made a phone call out and the SP believe that was the direct result of the attack. It was truly a pocket dial call as her BB was in her pocket.
As per Det-Sgt. Horsley, when Jason and CO drove into the cul de sac at approx. 5:45 pm Jason and CO saw the front door open and the male suspect outside, but only saw the back of him. Jason parked his vehicle on the opposite side of the road of the house. The rear of the vehicle was facing Torquay and the murder house. They sat there for approx. 10 minutes. Jason then turned around in the cul de sac and goes right onto Torquay. They parked by the house for approx. another 10 minutes. Jason sent Lindsay a text message “are you okay” and it was not answered. Both CO and Jason walked up to the front door and found it locked. Jason called 911 (approx. 6:05 pm). They both went around to the Torquay side of the house and CO gained entry via the already open patio doors by Jason boosting CO over the patio fence who then opened the front door allowing Jason entry.
When they found Lindsay’s body CO called 911 (6:11 pm) and while on the phone CO could hear sirens coming. The police were there within minutes because they were already enroute after Jason made the first 911 call(6:05 pm). When police arrived Jason and CO were waving their arms in the upstairs bedroom window. The police went into the home up to the bedroom and immediately took both Jason and CO to the police station separately
The cell phone the couple used to contact Lindsay was purchased late November 2007 at a Vancouver convenience store. The phone was activated late January, 2008 in Vancouver. The phone traveled to the Island 24 hours prior to Lindsay’s murder.
Vancouver is from where the first calls to Lindsay were made, confirmed by hits on cell towers in the city. Police said at least half dozen calls were made to Lindsay and after her murder the cell phone was never used again. They believed the killer(s) knew how to carry out the murder and then cover their tracks. The expert’s all agreed a significant degree of planning went into this murder. They explored the theory that professionals were hired with specific instructions to express the anger that someone else felt towards Lindsay. The experts agreed the murder was personal and that somebody close to Lindsay planned it and hired the killer(s).
Inspector McColl Feb 2, 2011:
“Having had this on our plate (at the time of the broadcast) for more than two years, we had plenty of time to develop theories, look at them closely and think outside of the box,” McColl said, noting that police AGREE with the Dateline investigators’ conclusion that Buziak was an innocent party, and her murder was a TARGETED hit arranged by someone CLOSE to her. Saanich police have narrowed down the investigation to “three or four” working theories. McColl stated on Dateline it’s possible one of the people who went into that house was also the MASTERMIND behind Lindsay’s murder.
“It’s not cool to tell on your friends, it’s not cool to rat people out … Many times in a homicide investigation you can get past that because it’s also not cool to kill people,” he said. “There should be some assurance to anyone that is considering speaking to the police, that we’re not really interested in the skeletons in your closet. We have the ability to put that aside and focus in on what we’re really interested in, and that is catching these killers.”
Det-Sgt. Horsley:
“There is nothing in her life — and we’ve conducted an extensive background [check] — that would indicate that she was involved in anything criminal, in anything of a domestic violence relationship, and that is the most perplexing thing.”
“It is also possible Buziak’s killers were under the mistaken impression she had revealed information she shouldn’t have, he said, or perhaps that she was somehow connected to a dangerous person without knowing it.”
“You can be a person who just works and minds their own business in Victoria, yet through a very brief network of friends, you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in very bad things,” Horsley said.”
Sgt. Dean Jantzen:
“This (killing) was very organized,” said Saanich police spokesman Sgt. Dean Jantzen. “There was a lot of planning and effort and forethought. These are the most complex crimes. And this is the most egregious crime and often they can become long-term and complicated. “There are people in the community who are withholding information. We know there is a bit of cone of silence around this.”
Lindsay Buziak Murder 
I don’t believe for a moment that Saanich Police know the identity of the owner of the crime phones, as was previously reported by Capital Daily. I think that was misreporting on Zander Sherman’s part. If it’s true, then why doesn’t he make some small mention of it in his podcast? After all, it’s the most important piece of evidence in the case. He must have realized his mistake by then.
I pray whomever did this and/or involved in anyway is caught and punished severely! In fact eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth comes to mind!!’
My my deepest condolences to Miss. Buziak’s family. I 🙏🏼 they get closure one day very soon! Nothing can bring their beautiful young lady back but knowing such evil still runs freely in this world must be a horrible feeling 🩵🙏🏼🩵!
it was virk basi corrupt organization
I believe with a senseless murder like this, the only way to solve is to follow the money.
The drug ring investigation and drug bust are sig nificant because it’s the only motive that makes sense.
Her new friend who had ties to the drug ring should be investigated. Also, an informant placed into the ring would be another avenue.
I do not agree this was personal as it was related to anything she did or said. Contract killers are prone to be psychopaths prone to overkill. The cut throat sounds like an after thought as in don’t open your mouth.
The kingpin learns of the investigation and questions those around him. As I understand the friending was a new relationship probably during the investigation. If the kingpin thought she was the one giving info to police, he would’ve put a contract out on her. I also feel if you find the woman, the killer will be close.
The drug lord lost money due to lost sales/incarcerations. Very big reason for murder.
I don’t believe the ex-boyfriend or his mother were involved at all. They may have done, said things that looked suspicious but I believe that to be related to nerves. They were primary suspects for goodness sakes.
Who was her new friend?
so to all. i dont think its a drug kingpin hit. they wouldnt have taken so much risk with all the blood and overkill. it wouldve been with gun with silencer, quick and silent and get out. the way she was attacked was personal. i feel whole heartedly its the BF and the mom due to her wanting to leave the company after all they did for her and breast implants and breaking up with jason. this was a rageful attack.
Sort of like the OJ Simpson murder!! I just watched the series again re: OJ Simpson. How disgusting, evil and vile that O. J. got off re: Cold Blooded Murder! I hope the lawyer’s, anyone remotely involved in getting him off and their families 🔥 in Hell!!!
Same with this evil murder. Some evil, nasty freak, GOOF or freak GOOFS’ getting away with this evil, cold blooded murder of another woman!
Doesn’t make sense to me that nobody caught yet!!! No DNA, nothing in this day and age!!
Somebody has got to have more information to tie the boyfriend and mother if what you are saying is true! I do agree that the b/f’s timeline and stories sound odd. As well things I have read about b/f’s mother.
Also odd that Greg Martell has skipped the country!! Could it be he planned his con job as maybe investigators were onto something re: this case????
The one area the police messed up was not focusing on that “dress” the female suspect wore in the beginning. That dress was very unique and I doubt very many were made and probably only sold at 1-2 stores. First try to find out who the manufacturer is. Who sold the dress, who carried/sold the dress, receipts, dates on receipts, who bought the same dress around the same time. Because I believe that dress was bought specifically for the crime as a distraction. I’ve always thought that. Police did a shotty job not focusing on that ugly dress from the very beginning. Crimes are solved all the time based on this information. Experienced cops who gets results “hustle” to find an answer.
I read that they had investigated the ‘dress’ & that it was by a Canadian designer (can’t remember his name) & sold in many retail stores at that time so it was difficult to trace. I agree with you that it was chosen to distract, but I don’t think they would have chosen a ‘designer’ dress with limited sales & more easily tracked down. How much effort, like everything else it seems in this case, was put into tracing the dress is another story.
Was it Josheph Ribkoff? When I saw a sketch of the skirt even back then at time. I thought it was a bit dated. I thought must have been a more mature woman wearing or something a younger women borrowed from a more mature women!!! Borrowed maybe, if in fact a younger woman who was one of the killers!! Could been bought at a consignment store too!!
Who ever gave the police the description of couple and the skirt or dress?
For some reason I remember I thought it was a skirt vs: a dress when saw sketches or pictures somewhere.
RMH – Yes, that’s the designer. I believe it was a sleeveless dress, probably worn with a jacket or a wrap as the murder was committed in February.
That’s a good point about the dress being possibly borrowed from an older person with that style of dressing or picked-up at a thrift shop.
It just shows you the level of planning that went into Lindsay’s murder.
Apparently the description of the couple, including the dress, was provided by a witness who saw the couple being greeted by Lindsay at the home.
Did they ever give the approximate age of the suspects? I remember seeing the sketch and I could not really tell. I remember I saw a woman walking with a man after the sketch and pictures came out re: the skirt or bottom part of dress. The couple was walking down Yates street in Victoria and the skirt or dress lady was wearing was almost identical to the pictures that came out re: possible suspect’s clothing . I figure though as if the person would have worn the skirt or dress again. Likely burned it.
I thought is was an odd dress or skirt to wear, so loud looking. Although the person likely had no dress sense what so ever, whom ever contracted them would have likely told her how to dress or even bought the dress or gave from her closet to wear. Told her to dress up to look impressive type thing. They should have looked to see if any of the people they suspected or thought connected ever wore the brand a lot in past or at time. I remember the brand clearly as I came from the North and seemed to me that many business women wore that brand up there. I think though it could have been popular everywhere. I found that at one time every working women thought the brand was the coolest. Lot of realtors as well wore that brand but could have just been the North. Especially in the late 80’s, early 90’s. Some people or women hold onto clothing for years as well. If had to give something to a contracted killer, give them something old out of her closet that did not want back.
i was thinking about this today and may have actually replied before with this opinion, but seems to me jason and friend were occupying lindsays time before the appt so she didnt go to house early or call a friend to come with here or maybe to be in house to maybe set up a camera or whatever before the absolute ‘proper’ time she was to arrive at the house. and them hanging around ‘waiting for her’ seems fishy, i think they hung around in case something went awry with the murder not for lindays sake but for the killers. and pretty convenient they see the man but only his back. and ive have stated why i think jason and his mom were in on it, lindsay was going to break up with jason and probably take her clients with her to new company or on her own and other stuff – but thats not the point of this reply.
I agree that Jason wasn’t there to protect Lindsay, he was there to ensure everything was going as planned. First of all, he didn’t know how to get to the house & had to call his brother for directions. He had just finished having lunch with Lindsay & it never occurred to him to confirm directions when he knew how important it was for him to be there?Then he had to call his mother for the code to the lock box. In other words, he provided an alibi for all three of them – brother, mother & himself.
I have always believed that the man who stepped out the front door & quickly retreated inside was the signal that the deed was done & that Jason & his sidekick should move the car & begin the PRETEND rescue of Lindsay. She was betrayed by some of the people closest to her.
very well said.
I’ve watched many true crime shows over the years (Dateline, 48 Hrs & others) & it seems that ‘old’ cases are solved due to the dedication & determination of investigators/detectives committed to solving the crime after many years.
It doesn’t seem that the Saanich police force has that level of dedication or interest in solving Lindsay’s murder. Shame on them!!
@Margaret — well when you hire a hit team and everyone sticks to the plan and doesnt yap about it, seems sometimes you get away with it. this was pretty well organized. doesnt sound like much clues to go on.
jason and is mom were the peeps behind this. a drug guy wouldve just had someone kill her as she was getting out of a car somewhere. this was way too well designed. it was for sure peeps that didnt want to be caught or care about street cred or a reputation they wanted it done and to fully get away with it.
I read that the couple appeared to be 35-40 ish. They were probably instructed to dress ‘professionally’ as they were portraying themselves as a wealthy couple looking for a home to buy. Whoever came up with idea to wear a summer dress in Feb, must have realized that it would be hard to trace as it was selling in retail stores all over Canada at the time.
Good point, to be honest as I said, I felt the dress or skirt was dated at time. I felt it was an odd dress/skirt to wear too. Now that you remind me of date, even more odd. It stuck out in my mind out of everything and the drawing of the woman they posted. I hope they find the person or people that did this. Lot of weird people in this world, evil would be more like it.
Sort of like the OJ Simpson murder!! I just watched the series again re: OJ Simpson. How disgusting, evil and vile that O. J. got off re: Cold Blooded Murder! I hope the lawyer’s, anyone remotely involved in getting him off and their families 🔥 in Hell!!!
Same with this evil murder. Some evil, nasty freak, GOOF or freak GOOFS’ getting away with this evil, cold blooded murder of another woman!
Doesn’t make sense to me that nobody caught yet!!! No DNA, nothing in this day and age!!
Somebody has got to have more information to tie the boyfriend and mother if what you are saying is true! I do agree that the b/f’s timeline and stories sound odd. As well things I have read about b/f’s mother.
Also odd that Greg Martell has skipped the country!! Could it be he planned his con job as maybe investigators were onto something re: this case????
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Okay,
Let’s broach Hoarselys walk across the parking lot where he admits the warranting of criticism! Load up the clip and take it into him! Then request of him why he refuses to divulge any information surrounding Lindsays case!
I think that from a rational stand point, something else is going to cave away in order to bring this nightmare to its end! This scenario is going to have a movie ending!
As far as The Cops go, that bird has left its nest!You said yourself, it’s been 13 years! Where’s the resolve?
If they were going to lay charges they would have cooked that bird years ago!!!
WHEN DID THEY CHARGE OJ SIMPSON AFTER RON AND NICHOLES HOMICIDE? 6/16/94 (FOUR DAYS AFTER THEIR MURDER) !!!
When was Casey Anthony charged with Kaylees murder? I don’t know, but it was shortly after Cindys call to The Police!!! Maybe 14 days later!
When was Robert Blake arrested for Bonnie Lee Bakelys murder? It was the following year!
Saanich has had 13 years and there have been no arrests, no indictments and personally, l think that VID is useless to them as a witness!!!!And they know it!!!
Horsley has retired as per Saanich police culture. Put in time, accomplish nothing except protecting friends from Justice then retire full pension all fully paid and supported by Saanich taxpayers.
Professionals do not use a knife. It didn’t work!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 7:17 AM Lindsay Buziak Murder wrote:
> lbmurder commented: “Horsley has retired as per Saanich police culture. > Put in time, accomplish nothing except protecting friends from Justice then > retire full pension all fully paid and supported by Saanich taxpayers.” >
@Mitchell Austin, um, it did work, lindsay is dead and killers havent been caught. and they used a knife so no gun shots would be heard by neighbors. its been years since this happened. it worked.
huge corruption in all our police departments it was the Virl Basi corrupt organization. they have a crew of 5 i went to many rcmps to give info but they wont take it
You have info on one of the biggest unsolved murders in canada history. Go to the canada security intelligence service if local law enforcement wont take it or rcmp.
If another branch of law enforcement, like let’s say The RCMP were to negotiate involvement, then l could see Lindsays case being solved, but this bizzarreness in Saanich going on for this long just doesn’t make any sense, and something just dawned on me! Doesn’t Edgar Acevedo use drugs and drink heavily? If such is correct, then that finding, coupled with Vids Saint-hood, and the incorrectly processed crime scene (l speculate), is the reason for NO MOVEMENT on the case! I can render no other theory as to NO RESULT!!!!
@David Dane for the love of god david, this is what happens when you have a well thought out and choreographed professional hit done on someone. it may NEVER be solved unless someone talks. there doesnt seem to be video or many witnesses, etc. it took someone with money to do this. they wanted lindsay dead. its worked thus far. theres many crimes that go unsolved for decades and it ends up being some dipshit that just got lucky. and some crimes will go unsolved forever. this may be one.
mts 5219,
Here’s something that crossed my mind this afternoon, and it pertains to Lindsays vacationing clients! NO ONE- AND I MEAN- NO ONE KNOWS when someone else will or will not look at their e-mail, check their voicemail, log onto their Facebook, pick up a Fax, answer their cell-phone or landline etc. WOW AH!!!! THE LUCK AND CONFIDENCE OF THIS HIT-TEAM!!!
If those clients had gotten back to Lindsay and said they didn’t know The Mexicans it would have been GAME OVER!!!
There’s your alternate to EDGAR as a witness!!! (The former clients are part of the landscape of this murder- Get a subpoena drawn up and let’s go to court)!!!!
@David Dane: not unless someone (the mom of her bf) knew the clients wouldnt call back cause of vacation or told them not to. so theyre in on it, that still leaves the mom and bf of lindsay as the peeps that hired the killers!!!!!!!!!!! good god man.
mts 5219,
First of all l just watched a podcast where a very interesting theory was flown! The podcast was put on by a gentleman named Brandon Smith! His theory is that Lindsay discovered inproprieties in the real estate computer and, believing that she was doing the right thing by reporting said improprieties to Shirley never dreaming, that Shirley, was responsible for said improprieties! So, as soon as Lindsay leaves the office, Shirley picks up the phone and calls a local criminal, tells him to purchase a phone and remain on stand-by!
Here’s my issue with this! Why would this doting mother place her son, who she dotes on at the scene of the crime to discover the body and thus become a suspect? Here’s another problem with said theory! What if Jason had entered the house and interrupted the murder and now became victim #2 ? It makes no sense!!!
The woman on the phone had a Mexican accent, correct? Vids place of origin is Guatemala!!! Vid is close and tight with Erickson Del Alcazar!!!
Vid came together with four members of The Del Alcazar Clan jusy 60 minutes after Lindsays homicide! Vids phone pinged along with the murder phones on the way over on the ferry and then later that night back at his house! He came together with The Del Alcazars because Lindsays death was cartel business!
For whatever reason, Lindsay caught the blame for this Drug Bust touted as high noon and l think l finally know how, and how Erickson got away with reporting it to whomever called the hit! Because he sold them a line of shit that he knew was shit! Now, here comes the line of shit! He told them that she was an employee of his end of the cartel, turned on him, black-mailed him and subsequently ratted him out! Erickson tells him to call Vid who calls Rianne Gracia to get some back-ground on Lindsays Real Estate Dealings which provided a link to her former clients! Now, how they got said clients to co-operate is anyones guess!
I know who l believe the Hit-Team to be because they wear it on their faces, however, l shall refrain from voicing my opinion as l am afraid that the administration of this site will break bad on me if l say what’s on my mind!
See, l can see it in my head and through that its proper fit and characteristic! I know who these people are because l know what fits the scenario!!!
Goodnight!!!
It says in the redacted police report that there was no specific client mentioned.This report was obtained by Capital Daily: https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/lindsay-buziak-investigation-2008-documents
The woman would only say the young realtor had been “referred.” Referrals are a big part of a realtor’s business, and at minimum Buziak would need to thank the person who had allegedly recommended her. But when Buziak called around to ask her other clients, no one knew anything about it. In the documents there’s no mention of a “referral client” whom Buziak allegedly tried to contact but was away on holiday, as has been previously reported.
Interesting theory!
Neither Svetlana nor l presented a theory! What theory?
Exactly!
Please forgive my poorly written blog previous to your well formatted response Svetlana, l was exhausted! And as your name is Svetlana, l ponder as to whether or not you are the same Svetlana who is also a friend of a Pro-Wrestler whose initials are E.D., as he is one of my best friends!
As it speaks to Lindsays clients, my understanding has always been that there was a direct reference, otherwise, how would they have responded when she asked them who they had been referred by?
This is a strange and peculiar revelation!!!
I will research it further!!!
Tonight l recalled something! When l was home in Nova Scotia a few years ago, l would channel surf and occasionally watch a television show called THE FIRST 48!! On this program, there would be murder cases that The Police were tasked with solving within 48 hours and frequently did! One such case had an African American male shot dead in his pick-up as a prostitute stood close at hand! Police collared the murderer within 48 hours!!!
O.J. Simpson was identified as the murderer of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson and charge with their double homicide within 4 days of the slaying in her garden!
Jodi Ann Arias was charged with Travis Alexanders murder approximately a week following his death!!!
Saanich P.D.has had 13 years to resolve Lindsays issue, and yet the case has not progressed one inch!!!
You know what l believe this is? Fear and intimidation!I believe that Saanich has been threatened by the people who had Lindsay killed, and this is why there’s no progress on this case, otherwise, we drag Vid in like an offering from the cat, we drag Erickson in, we drag Medardo Rivas, Rianna Gracia and whoever the fuck ever else in and get something done! I think Saanich is afraid of The Bad Guys because why else would they, as a wise man once said, be fucking the dog, thinking that they are busy?
@David Dane – there has been so many murders unsolved for decades or not at all. the murders you spoke of being solved had the right clues to be solved. this one doesnt. it worked. the right people were hired. it was well thought out and choreographed and it worked. it worked. it has worked. only way this will be solved is if someone talks/gives a tip.
And clearly because Saanich police are not capable of getting what they need or don’t want to.
Dear LBMurder,
Apparently in the begginning they executed a slew of Search Warrants for what to be the following 1.) The two burner phones 2.) The dress 3.) The knife 4.) The clothing worn by the man
Basic common sense tells you that those items were likelydestroyed or disposed of within about 60 minutes of the murder! Whatthe hell did they expect to locate?
Then, Vid could have been hauled in and read The Riot Act about The Cell Phone pings!!! Ok, so all of this shit should have taken about 3 or 4 days!!!Then there’s interrogating Jason (This was done on night one)(Cohen the same), and then there’s Shirley, Rianna Gracia, Joe Desousa, yourself, Matt MCDuff, Lindsays vacationing clients, and the two second eye witness!!! All of this should have taken approximately 10 days or a little more!!!
Now, 13 years has passed and there’s not a peep from Saanich!!! NOTHING!!!
Do l think The RCMP can solve this case? Yes!!! Do l think that one day Jeff Buziak will receive a phone call from Saanich saying that they’ve made arrests in this case? NO!!!
I recently found out that Rianne refused to cooperate or submit to a plygraph examination!!! Instead, she rolled over on Jason and Shirley who submitted to a pair of polygraph exams and passed!!! She’s deflecting the goddamn blame from herself by placing it on the yard ape and the witch!!! As far as an informant goes, Rianne is the fish that’s starting to stink up the room!!!
Who is Rianne ? I am familiar with case but haven’t followed everything. So sad is all I can say, sad for the beautiful, successful young lady, whole life ahead of her. So sad for her family and sad can’t find the freaks who did this. Obviously based on way I heard/read murdered the killers had a lot of hate, jealousy/rage. I hope they catch these people one day, sooner than later. Creepy to think these killers are still out there living their life like it all A okay.
She was a friend of Lindsay’s & worked as a receptionist at the same real estate firm . She quit shortly after the murder. She was also dating one of the local drug dealers (Vid) at the time and after her initial cooperation with the police she stopped. It’s a tragic case & after 14 years it’s hard to believe that there will ever be justice for Lindsay. Either the police don’t have enough evidence to arrest, are incompetent or ‘locals’ are too afraid to come forward knowing what those brutes did to Lindsay. Supposedly the FBI got involved at the beginning of 2021 but it doesn’t sound as though that has gone anywhere. I keep hoping the case continues to be investigated behind the scenes & that one day there will be an announcement of an arrest.
Exactly love your theories!
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 8:27 PM Lindsay Buziak Murder wrote:
> RMH commented: “Who is Rianne ? I am familiar with case but haven’t > followed everything. So sad is all I can say, sad for the beautiful, > successful young lady, whole life ahead of her. So sad for her family and > sad can’t find the freaks who did this. Obviously based o” >
Dear mts 519,
I don’t think it’s for lack of a tip, and to correct myself, it’s been 14 years and a couple of months since this whole thing began and no progress!!! My mind goes back to the death of Christina Lockharts husband on The Mexican river where the cartels executed her husband who was there to take pictures and subsequently decapitated the detective who was investigating the case! My point? I ponder the possibility of Saanich lnvestigators having been threatened or intimidated by the people who had Lindsay killed !!!
To investigate this mess, and l reiterate, lNVESTIGATE, it was one stop shopping!!! Saanich needed only address the pings with Vid and then let him know what his accomodation for the forseeable future was going to be if he didn’t grow a set of vocal chords!!! Vid was after all, the only one close enough to this tragedy to properly give its details! Who the fuck else did they really need to call upon?
This is and was about two hours work!!! And Gracia needed to be hauled in by the seat of her goddamn Levis to find out what she told Mr. Clean with an attitude!!!!
This simultaneous information excavation should’ve taken about like two hours!!! It’s been 14yrs and two months and Saanich is still attempting to perpetrate like they’re still investigating!!! Ia what and whom? They haven’t even done anything about Vid!!!
If Saanich is still investigating this case then John Carpenter is still shooting the opening scenes of Halloween 1979 starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence!!!
I too believed that Lindsay had been given the contact information of the referring client, that is why it was determined they were out of town & couldn’t confirm the referral.
If that was not the case & Lindsay agreed to meet this couple accepting that a ‘referral’ (without knowing who it was from) was sufficient then she made a mistake by not insisting they provide a name. Apparently, she had visited her office the day of the house showing & was still attempting to find out information about her clients. She sensed correctly that something was ‘off’ about this assignment but she was anxious to make the sale & believed that no-show Jason would be there to protect her. That’s a whole other story!!
Margaret,
Thank you very much for your comment, you have intrigued me as well as provided information that l did not have! I was un-aware that while attending her office that day that she had tried to gain information on the referral clients!!!
Lindsay Buziak was an intelligent and educated young woman! Having said that, it only stands to reason that she would have asked them to reveal the clients names! Who wouldn’t?
Okay, SO, l am going to venture a request here, l would like ANY AND ALL INFORMATION THAT ANYONE HAS PERTAINING TO LINDSAYS VACATIONING CLIENTS, NAMES, HOW IT WAS KNOWN THAT THEY COULDN’T BE REACHED, WHO THEY ARE AS PEOPLE, ASWELL AS HOW LINDSAY FELT ABOUT THEM!!!!
SZ would have known who Lindsay had sold anything to and also so easily known these same people were out of town during this time. That information would have only been known by a manager who was looking for that exact scenario to make Lindsay believe it was all ok. Once again Shirley Zailo, full of hate, middle age, overweight, jealous and not feeling so sexy anymore and who looks like a 40 year old AGAIN. Plastic surgery works and who has had the money for that? Who has the money for high end homes high end cars? Suites on NYE at Whistler? There’s that name again. Shirley Zailo.
To start with, l don’t know where jealousy and plastic surgery sync with Lindsays murder, but this is, for all intents and purposes a common sense matter!!!
1.) Shirley, who dotes on Jason and is a helicopter mother isn’t going to arrange a murder and then put her son in a position to become a suspect!!!
2.) Shirley Zailo has money!!! It’s pattenly absurd to believe that a woman who has money and knows she’s guilty is going to walk into a Police Station and submit to a Polygraph test and allow her son to the same instead of lawyering up!!!
3.)Why then, do we have this flavor of Mexican and Hispanic lnvolvement surrounding this murder! Lindsay called her clients “The Mexicans”!!!
Vid is from Guatemala!!!
The Del Alcazars are, l believe, Brazilian!!! (The High Noon Drug Bust had its origins in Central America) !!!
You do the math!!!!
Please do your research and refrain from spouting with authority when you know Jack Shit more than anyone else.
YOU don’t know High Noon originated in Central America!
Del Alcazars are Pilipinos. WTF is wrong with you?
Shirley did lawyer up.
Are you an off the rails mother? How do you know what she would do?
Is your math 2+2=3?
Be productive here, get your facts straight or be blocked.
Capital Daily has a report which they got from the court but much of it was redacted. One thing they said was that there was no mention of a referring client. https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/lindsay-buziak-investigation-2008-documents
Why are there 2 versions of this aspect?
We know the bulk of information was given by Jason.
Look, if it wasnt jason himself in on it, then it was his mom who was mad at lindsay for wanting to leave her son after they helped her so much getting in the business. She hired killers to murder lindsay and so far its worked cause NO ONE has been arrested and no evidence it seems to arrest anyone. it had to be someone close to lindsay, and the moms weird behavior in that one interview where she ‘cries’ after seeing her son ‘cry’ is a giveaway. she didnt want lindsay to work at that business and not be with jason nor did she want lindsay to leave to another company and take her contacts with her. the mom had access to which homes were available and who she could use as the ‘reference’. its an inside job.
Dear mts 519,
Ok, l don’t know if you’re replying to me or not but let’s see if this makes sense! Shirley doted heavily on Jason and was almost constantly hovering over him!
Does it render itself as common sense that if Shirley wanted Lindsay dead that she would orchestrate the entire thing in such a fashion that her son that she hovers above and dotes on would be present at the scene of the crime?
Why not simply hire a button man to walk up to Lindsay outside she and Jasons condo or in a shadowy parking lot and have the situation be a “One and done scenario”? Why, underneathe Gods hot sun would she arrange things so that her son would be at the scene? Please explain that to me?
BINGO!!!
JEFF, l think l now have the answer to the question? – WHY DID LINDSAY REACH OUT TO ERICKSON DEL ALCAZAR!!! (She missed Matt MCDuff!!! Correct?I think, she was contacting Erickson as a pre-cursor or like, seg-way, to Matt) !! Make sense?
SO, she fails to reach him, and then let’s say, sometime following his arrest, Erickson says to himself “lt was kinda weird Lindsay reaching out to me like that”! Possibly because he had previous to his incarceration noticed her name and number on his call display!! See, she probably hadn’t mentioned Matt to him as of yet, to early, let the cake bake for awhile longer and then ease into it! I’m like that!!
So, now he’s staring at some bars, a chrome toilet, and a sink, and he’s pontificating, and hypothesizing about how the fuck he got there in the first place and then maybe he didn’t know that Lindsay was coming to Calgary at all and maybe she left him a voicemail when she failed to reach him! Then, he remembers her contacting him on Facebook!See, now his paranoia antenna is going crazy! Then he hears from whoever the fuck ever, that the informant came from The Remax Camouflage or whatever you call it office, and now his radar is flashing, flashing RED!!!I
It’s pitiful dog shit timing, he doesn’t see her real motive for reaching out to him, and so he assumes and renders a false judgement, and now he’s shaking his head and cursing her underneathe his breath as the screws (Prison guard) keys jingle on his belt!Then the hours go by and now he’s threatening her, never once speculating that her real motive for contacting him was her ex boyfriend, because he can’t see her motive! Then he’s denied bail and now he’s lusting for blood! In his minds eye- First there’s this un-solicited contact over Facebook, then she shows up in Calgary, then there’s word that the so called informant came from, not just any office, but the office where beautiful Lindsay worked! See, he can’t see the real motive for her contact, so this is the motive that he assigns it!!! (l think this is a highly plausible theory)
Yes I follow along with what u r saying, it makes sense, and the rat all along who put Thugman in jail was SZ as speculated. Still how can one explain JaSIN’s weird behaviour at house and his need to bring along an alibi late to the house. I follow what you say but still I think SZ has the anger inside to murder Lindsay. SZ was jealous, thought she could buy friendships and silence but Lindsay didn’t understand such evil. Most people don’t until they see it like we do now with Lindsay’s demise. It’s hard to imagine someone can be that evil but SZ is capable says anyone whoever had to deal with her. RIP beautiful Lindsay. Go to hell SZ and your twisted sons. The Zailo venom is felt.
@David Dane: – the zailos didnt kill lindsay themselves, not jason, he wouldve had blood and cuts all on him, others did it, he hung around in case something went awry. they had PROFESSIONALS do it!!!!!! it worked, been TWELVE YEARS.
Hi – I’ve been reading your theories with interest & have always wondered what Jason’s role was if ‘something went wrong.’ What was he expected to do? Just curious as to what you & others think. Thanks.
I think if his alibi wasn’t able to make it, he would’ve found another one. Either that or his alibi was a fake one.
So sad that a young, hard working, beautiful woman was murdered in cold blood and nobody can crack this case. Some evil person did this, either a jealous angry woman or a man that secretly was in love with her or a jealous coworker or associate. This was for sure a hate crime in my mind and that brings me to jealousy or angry because Lindsay not interested in a woman or a man. A woman that jealous or thought someone she liked was in love with Lindsay, or maybe a stalker lesbian that was in love with Lindsay. I find it odd that the mother was on foot as well. Was she a runner or a person that walked a lot? Why on foot? I though the skirt in the sketch was odd, reason why is it was dated at the time. I think maybe it was Joseph Ribkoff which in it’s day was a hot ticket item. I thought either the woman in the sketch wearing that skirt was older or the skirt was borrowed from an older woman or maybe bought at a consignment store. Did anyone check out what brands of clothing Jason’s mom wore ? I remember seeing the skirt and it stuck out. Does anyone ever remember Jason’s mom wearing this sort of style ? I saw a woman not long after walking with a guy wearing a skirt just like one in sketch on Yates street. Pretty sure though the skirt would have been ruined re: blood. How disturbing meaning someone could be so evil, so cruel, so jealous. I would not rule out other realtors, there are some very competitive realtors or a past client that maybe felt like they were sold something and ripped off or screwed.. I have also thought a love triangle, meaning a woman was so jealous as maybe her boyfriend liked Lindsay. Or say a guy who was gaga re: Lindsay and maybe he felt rejected and had a sister that crazy or another woman. I suppose maybe the mother if say Lindsay wasn’t so happy with the boyfriend and word out leaving him or maybe he thought Lindsay liked someone else. Only other thing I can think of is maybe Lindsay knew about something or someone thought she knew something. I would check out who Lindsay had known in past and maybe someone that wanted to be associated with Lindsay and Lindsay did not like or not interested in and all past clients. I hope they find this sucker and if this person is still living I hope they read all of this. Hopefully the people that runs this site or the police track who on here and who signs on. You know what they say a person that kills usually likes to know everything about the case. I hope if they are alive that they read this daily and know what people think of the dirty, evil P.O.S. One thing to be jealous, angry but to kill someone in cold blood takes a real freak.
It seems that the brutes planning Lindsay’s murder thought of everything, including the woman ‘buyer’ wearing a brightly colored dress that distracted from other physical details. I believe this murder was commissioned by Shirley Zailo with her connections to criminal activity, the real estate business & the Calgary drug bust. Lindsay told her Dad, during a visit to Calgary, that she had seen something she shouldn’t have but did not elaborate. She was set-up as the drug informant & it went from there. It’s a pity that Lindsay didn’t go with her gut instincts that something was ‘off’ with the call from the woman requesting to view property and decline the assignment. As part of the plan, she was encouraged to go ahead by the Zailo’s knowing what lay ahead.
@David Dane — did it work, is the case still unsolved, i believe jason was in on it and could pass a poly as others have done and where innocents have failed. it was a well choreographed murder, hence them not doing what you suggested. it worked.
I don’t know why there are so many people who want to credit J Zailo as being the equal to a Secret Service Agent who is capable of a bunch of self taught cloak and dagger technique and wherewithal?
And why there? Why anyplace where he plants his foot print?
He has access to her right? Ok, so drive her out of town under false pretences and drag her into a wooded area someplace!
What if Cohen had declined the dinner invitation? Then Zailo would’ve been an undeniable first ballot suspect!
Jason Zailo is a dumb, and l put an emphasis on DUMB Hockey Jock, yet there are a high number of people who want to credit this clown, dummy, idiot with being Neil MCaulay (Robert Deniro in Heat)!!! He’s not even Wayne Growe!!!!
And how was Jason supposed to know that he could beat the box? Do you think that he practices this? He has one set up in his house in his living room and he invites his friends to come over and take turns, and when one of them fails they all yell “Liar, liar, hockey stick on fire”?
@David Dane — okay again david dane, it worked, the murder thus far has worked, its unsolved, it worked………….IT………WORKED. so no one said j zailo was amazing but the peeps that choreographed the whole thing are/were. they told jason what to do. i mean your ‘ Ok, so your ‘drive her out of town under false pretences and drag her into a wooded area someplace!’ and who kills her?/who drives her?/who sees the person and car driving her to this wooded area?/how does jason account for his whereabouts?/cell phone gps tracking? i mean why are you bringing up an alternate way when THE WAY it was done has worked thus far and has for over the last TWELVE YEARS with no end in sight. IT WORKED!!!! what is the problem?????????????
mts 5219,
He could have driven her 3 or 4 blocks from their condo with Lindsay in tow and had someone meet them in a van and drag her in the side door!
This is, someone called out her name because either she had seen something, or they believed that she’d seen something, or she was used as a solution to their own problem!
I have not a clue what makes so many believe that Jason Zailo drove over there knowing that Lindsay was being murdered inside! He’s being given far to much credit for having ability that a hockey jock wouldn’t have! If he was in on it his prior intentions would have been quickly assessed by The Police! He’s no mastermind!
This, in my opinion, having 30 years on the street was a cartel related hit, likely connected to The High Noon Drug Bust and the subsequent incarceration of Erickson Del Alcazar!
Lindsay, in my estimation, got blamed for this!
Was Shirley involved? I think she’d very much like people to believe that!!!
@David Dane – dear god, jason didnt do it, he hung around, professionals did it and choreographed it. and again WHY DO IT ANY OTHER WAY, THE WAY IT WAS DONE WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ‘drag her in the side door’ — lmao, so someone could see that, hear her scream, etc. it worked the way it was done for TWELVE YEARS NOW!!!!!!!!!
mts 5219,
Why does Zailo need to be there in the first place if he’s going to solicit someone to carry this out? Why be anywhere near her? Go sit in a MCDonalds with the camera in your face or better yet, have it done while he’s standing in a bank! This would take a lot of mustard and piss to pull off even via a hit-team! If he has the balls for this kind of imposition then l don’t read nor assess him that way, and l grew up around some bad, bad people!
Who do l believe was involved? Vid, Erickson, Rianne, possibly Medardo Rivas and “The Couple”! Shirley is a question mark???? But l think she enjoys the idea that she can toy with people and have them fear her because she pretends that she did this!
Understand something! The people, the man and woman who walked Lindsay through that door, pulled a shank and used it on her, are and were “WICKED”!!! They are morally bankrupt, evil, low, and as Jeff said, “Lindsay had to face her executioners alone”! My blood simmers over this understanding!
At some point Lindsay created a Facebook page for people who love Sarah (Lindsays Sister)!!! Think of what a nice thing it was for her to do that! These sleazy vomit bags must also have hurt Sarahs feelings very badly when they murdered Lindsay! I also have a desire to hurt them over that to!!!
God Bless Lindsay,
Cheers!!!
@David Dane – okay, i know this is hard for you to grasp, but IT WORKED. It ALL worked. the BF being there and the friend, it was all choreographed and thought through. stop going over what could have been and look at what was. IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mts 5219,
1.) Alright, you imply that Jason Zailo is behind this contract, and i’m just speculating, but i’d say you’re looking at $30 to 40K per each hit team member! My understanding is that Jason Zailo couldn’t pay his own debts! Having said that, where did he locate the funds to pay the man and woman?
2.) l think it’s preposterous to believe that Shirley and Jason are co conspirators in this wicked plot, however, if they were, then why would Shirley arrange for Jason to be on location when they could have paid to have Lindsay removed elsewhere without Jason needing to be all but standing there? They could have better had him on surveillance in a mall or at a restaurant, bank, etc at the time of her demise!
3.) And more and most importantly! You refuse to acknowledge this! Cohen Oatman was NO WHERE NEAR being a Co Conspirator, despite his name being “Cohen”! Get it? Cohen, Co Conspirator?
SO, here’s my question! What guarantee did Jason Zailo have that Cohen wouldn’t back out at the last minute? Hell, i’ve backed out of MANY appointments etc, at the last minute! Had Cohen decided to no show, Jason would’ve been royally SCREWED!!!
YOU DON’T PLAN A MURDER DEPENDANT ON AN ALIBI WHOSE PRESENCE YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE!!!!!
@David Dane — because IT WORKED. IT WAS CHOREOGRAPHED in detail, they made JASON WAS going to be there without fail and his friend. people can know people who know people. they found the right people to do this, it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David, you may wish to consider Duncan Bailey as a viable suspect. Lindsay met some dear friends she hadn’t seen in a long time while visiting her father in Calgary. Duncan and Shel just happened to be there having drinks with Lindsay’s dear friends. Lindsay was introduced to Duncan and Shel and the rest of the night was uneventful. I grew up around some terrible, bad people too.
Murder plots and stabbings have been plotted between Duncan and Shel in the past. This time around they got caught.
“During the investigation, D. Bailey and S. Viney were identified as conspirators in the murder plot,” the director alleged. “The VPD located a series of text messages, that included photos of a bag with a large amount of Canadian currency. The messages indicate the currency is payment in the murder plot.”
Bailey was arrested on Nov. 20, 2020 at Toronto Pearson Airport. Afterward, Viney got a text message from a Toronto phone and was then seen going to “an address connected to D. Bailey in Calgary.” He left “carrying a bag,” the civil suit said.
Less than a month later, the VPD executed the search warrant and found $389,070 in “seven shrink-wrapped bundles” inside a bag in a closet. The director said it was the same bag Viney was seen carrying away from Bailey’s residence weeks earlier.
Bailey, born in 1984, was charged in 2005 in Kamloops with possession for the purpose of trafficking, but pleaded guilty to the included lesser charge of possession of a controlled substance.
He was also convicted in Alberta in a major cocaine trafficking case dubbed Operation High Noon, and sentenced to three years for “two bricks,” as he wrote on his Facebook page in March 2009. “Going to the pen soon,” he told his online friends.
While in prison, he was involuntarily transferred from Matsqui medium security institution to Kent maximum after he allegedly aided the stabbing of another inmate by standing watch. He successfully fought the transfer in B.C. Supreme Court and the warden was ordered to send him back to Matsqui.
This is a lot to digest and more than a little confusing! So, Lindsay meets up with a guy and a girl who are old friends of hers while she’s in Calgary! I’m gonna have to go back and read over the information again! The guy and the girl are nefarious and have killed together before? Oh Jesus!
These characters are connected to The High Noon drug bust? For reasons unknown, they decide to kill Lindsay, or have her murdered?
Does that about sum it up?
So, someone whom she had not seen in years decided to drop $389, 070, an odd number by the way, to have Lindsay killed?
It’s an awfully high over-head to have a 24 year old real estate agent murdered? I would think 80,000 between the man and woman but l don’t know, l don’t off folks for money!!!
Where did you collect this info?
David D, you need to slow down, you are on the wrong track. Jason demanded his friend to come along for that particular ride. His friend at first stated he was at home and really was not interested. Jason coned him into meet him at Bay St., and so he did. So that became BF-Jason’s solid witness, during the murder.
It is an inside job. I think the Zailo’s were to comfortable thinking that Lindsay liked them and was comfortable with their criminal activities. Remember Lindsay said she saw something she shouldn’t have. Real estate at that time was a runaway train for money laundering. Grow ops were used for homes on the market. Ziggy used to come into Remax, he rented from SZ, had a grow op. SZ said she did not know him but she was his landlady ffs. Those thugs, Ziggy, Vid, blah blah blah losers were around, Lindsay had been in their company. Lindsay simply made up her mind she wanted away from them. Who in their right mind wouldn’t. I escaped one myself, pos loser. SZ thought she could buy people’s silence and loyalty and felt threatened. Fk off
Jeff,
I think i’ve altered my opinion on something! I take it back! There was no getaway car, to much chance of them stopping cars by the bunch because it wouldn’t be long before Jason and Cohen found Lindsay! Moreover, look for a safe house about a block over with a secluded backyard!!!
***This is simply my opinion on the theory of the crime***
Jason and Shirley Zailo set Lindsay up for this murder. Jason gave Lindsay a false sense of security saying he would go there and help her with the showing. The fact that he looked up at the camera (when he was getting those documents signed with his partner) and text Lindsay at exactly 5:30 saying he would be late, explains everything. He knew that at 5:30 she would be in a position where she couldn’t back out from the showing. Why wouldn’t he have texted her at say 5:15 to let her know he would be late and to wait for him?
Then, upon his arrival, he doesn’t go up to the house (if he actually cared about her, he would have told her to tell the people that he would be arriving at some point and participating in the showing– That way she would have been safe. That’s what a real man does for someone he loves)… Instead, he parks far enough away where his partner cannot see in the windows of the house and also couldn’t hear Lindsay if she screamed.
None of this is to mention how he acted after she didn’t return his messages. This guy is 6 ft 3 250 lb muscular man. He should have smashed those windows by the door to unlock it, in order to go straight into the house. Instead, like an absolute Coward, he gave his friend a boost over the fence to check for an open window or door (lo and behold the killers conveniently left the back door open for him). Honorable mention to the fact that when he did get let into the house by his partner, he made a beeline for the murder scene. This was a five bedroom home with four bathrooms…
Then this loser (Jason Zailo) calls his mom asking for the garage code (the reason he did this was to provide his mom with an alibi by proving she didn’t have access to the house. The reason for this is because there was obviously a third party laying in wait for her. And that begs the question how did that person get into the house?).
That man who participated in the showing was seen outside of the house at 5:45, he would have been absolutely drenched in blood. The third party was waiting in that bathroom, with a change of clothes. He committed the murder, and then sent that other man outside to signal Jason that the deed was done. I believe that it was predetermined that once Jason saw this man he was to wait 15-20 minutes in order for the couple and the third part to make a clean getaway.
Please remember that by all accounts, Jason and his business partner were not friends. His business partner stated that Jason had asked him to go out for dinner that night and it was very uncharacteristic of him to do that. Try and picture if Jason shows up to that murder scene alone how much explaining he has to do to the police. Everything was just so convenient for him that he was on camera, was with an alibi/witness, and was texting the murder of victim at the time she was being killed.
If I were to guess what the motive was, Jason (and Shirley) did everything in their power to keep Lindsay close by. She knew something about the drugs They were involved in. Who buys a 1.3 million dollar home and puts $250,000 into renovations for an unmarried couple (Shirley Zailo apparently)? When Lindsay starts to back away, they move into his brother’s condo and then Shirley dumps $70,000 into renovations of that place. I know Realtors can make some pretty good money, but let’s get real here. These people were involved in the distribution of narcotics. Remember that Shirley Zailo was renting a home to Ziggy, who was a hardcore drug dealer and a violent criminal (he lived there for 5 years and at one point was busted with 13 kg of marijuana– imagine how hard it would be to hide that smell from your landlord)…
I think the higher ups in the drug/criminal organization thought there was a rat, Jason found out Lindsay wanted to leave, so they set her up for a fall. It just way too convenient that the place she gets murdered in happens to have close contact with Shirley, Jason and her other son Ryan. Don’t forget that the reference that was provided to Lindsay by the fake couple. That reference was apparently legit, and very conveniently out of town at the time. That is really really fortunate for the couple that she was unable to contact that person (let’s remember these people had money and cell phones were very prevalent at that time).
I saw a post on here stating they thought the builders were involved. In my opinion I really don’t think they were a part of this.
The Zailo family is absolute trash, and I think they are actually really really unintelligent. This whole situation was so sketchy and disingenuous, that it absolutely sickens me.
I don’t know the whole story re: the family but pretty sure the Zailo family would have been checked out completely and I am a firm believe in innocent until proven guilty. I don’t know the family at all but I would never ever say someone was guilty for sure. Now if it was OJ then I may say yes he is guilty but still there is just that one thing, he was not proven guilty and I never witnessed anything. I just don’t think it is fair to say things like this on line when they have not been charged. Now if they are guilty then I don’t know how they live with themselves or could have done this to a young lady, anyone for that matter. I hope you are wrong as would be horrible if you are correct.
What I don’t understand is how was there no DNA of any sort or fibres? Just odd to me. I hope you are incorrect, not trying to be rude or not listen to you but I just find it very odd that they would not have been caught if was the Zailo’s. Technology is pretty good these days. I hope they find the dirty killer and I think it is someone that was very jealous or competitive with this young lady. I think someone found out their b/f or g/f liked this young lady and maybe thought something had gone on or maybe just a crazy competitive woman or man that so jealous they went nuts.
This is just my opinion and I don’t mean this to be disparaging at all, but I’m not sure why everyone thinks there would be all of this DNA and/or fibers at every crime scene?
If someone is pre-planning a murder like this, wouldn’t they simply wear clothing that would cover their skin? And some type of hat or mask to cover their hair (that’s assuming that their head is not shaved)?
So unless the killer was spitting all over the place, maybe Lindsay got some fibers from a sweatshirt underneath her fingernails? Some sweater from Walmart will have millions and millions of them produced, so that would prove absolutely nothing.
So why would there be usable fibers or DNA at that crime scene??
And even if there was, that person would have to be registered in the DNA database.
Greg – I agree with most of your well thought -out theory, except that Desousa, the builder/home owner, was not involved. I had posted previously that I think he was. I just don’t see how they could have pulled this off without prior access to the home. I agree that at least a third person was involved and they were waiting upstairs.
Assuming that the builder was NOT involved and there was no way to access the home before Lindsay & the couple arrived, I guess it’s possible that the couple, upon entering, suggested taking a look at the garden before viewing the home and steered Lindsay away from the front door. The third party could have been hiding and, given the layout of the home, could have entered and gone upstairs. It would seem risky and I’m not sure how they would know that the group had moved to the other end of the house and that it was safe to enter.
Also, given that there was no absolutely no evidence found (so we’re told) a tremendous amount of planning for the clean-up must have taken place and someone entering at the last minute would not allow for that.
The other thought I had was how difficult would it have been for Shirley, as the Manager of the office that Lindsay worked out of, and a friend of Desousa to get prior access to the home and set everything up? She could have convinced him that this was a very important showing and that she wanted to do a final walk through before the Saturday showing.
Hopefully, with the FBI now involved (probably the drug angle) we’ll finally have some progress and put all the theories to rest.
There is no FBI. Another Saanich lie.
Jeff,
Did you really just espouse that Saanich has been falsely touting the presence of The F.B.I.? I almost had an aneurysm when l read that, but why wouldn’t The FBI sue them down to the enamel on their teeth for such an erroneous assertion! How can they just walk or skate on such a falsehood?
Do you actually believe the FBI are going to focus on Lindsay’s unsolved murder in Canada for Saanich police? Boy do I have a bridge for you over the River Kwai in Dubai.
I’m amazed that their false claim hasn’t bought them a hundred million dollar lawsuit!!!
You’d also think that The FBl would have, or could have stepped in within about 48hrs, eaten Vid for breakfast and solved the case!
Exactly, we don’t even know who all the predators and rapists, pedophiles were re: Epstein in the USA. Ton of corruption re: the FBI!
Look at all the missing girls/women from Highway of Tears, I don’t think FBI got involved in that either…
Look at the pig farm in or near Port Coquitlam! There was other people involved but only one goes to jail!!
Bothers me how so much is hush, hush. How so many evil people walk free!!
Hi Margaret,
I think Shirley gave the “third person” the garage code… Remember how Jason called Shirley from the scene and asked if she had the code to the garage? She said she didn’t have it. I think that this was pre-planned, as to absolve Shirley of any involvement. Otherwise, why would Jason waste all of that time outside of the house? I know it’s easy to say after the fact, but if that was my girlfriend I probably would have smashed a window when she wasn’t responding to my messages or calls.
And you very well could be right. Maybe it was as simple as Shirley leave a door or window unlocked.
What do you think?
Hi Greg – It’s always interesting to read your excellent analysis about what you believed happened.
I agree that most boyfriends would have barged in when they realized that something was ‘off’ when the buyer appeared at the front door and quickly retreated back inside. But, Jason wasn’t there to protect Lindsay, he was there to make sure all went as planned and that the appearance of the buyer was a signal to him.
I agree that the call to Shirley regarding the garage code was to establish an alibi, as was the call to his brother for directions to the home. Given Lindsay’s concern about the meeting, I’m sure she would have confirmed with Jason that he knew how to get there instead of him fumbling with a system that didn’t work when he was already late. Then, like the big coward that he was, he heaved his unsuspecting sap of a friend over the fence to race into the home. Not that it mattered, as he knew what would be found.
Someone made a good point though, they believed that by having his friend open the front door, he added his DNA to the handle in the event that the ‘buyer’ neglected to wear gloves when opening the door.
And I agree with you that the couple didn’t commit the murder in street clothes, the killer was suited- up and that required pre-planning and prior access to the home. DeSousa or Shirley – who knows?
I developed an interest in this case after watching the Dateline episode and it’s just so sad that it hasn’t been solved 13-years on.
Margaret,
IF YOU READ SOME OF MY PREVIOUS BLOGS YOU’LL SEE WHERE I’VE COMMENTED ON THIS BEFORE! FORGIVE THE CAPS! I’M EXHAUSTED!
IF JASON ZAILO WAS KNEE DEEP IN THIS, AND IF HE AND/OR SHIRLEY WANTED LINDSAY DEAD THEN WHY OCCUPY THEMSELVES WITH ALL OF THIS UN-NECESSARY ATTENTION?
WHY NOT HAVE THE HIT CONTRACTED WHILE BOTH JASON AND SHIRLEY ARE ACCOUNTED FOR? WHY PUT YOURSELF ANYWHERE NEAR THE ACT?
DOES THIS NOT MAKE SOME SENSE TO YOU?
@David Dane – for the love of god david, it worked. jason AND his friend were there for a reason. they were the outside helpers. the designers of this didnt want anyone else involved. jason and friend were there in case lindsay got away and ran out of the house they were there to corral her. and think about this, jaon and friend took her to an early dinner ‘date’ so she wouldnt go by the house ahead of time, they kep her away from the house so things could be put in place without her seeing from the outside anything nor obviously inside. this was all choreographed and designed by peeps who knew what they were doing and IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he didn’t come in smashing windows and breaking down doors because he didn’t know she was in trouble and didn’t want to tip the apple cart as a crazy boyfriend in an already strained relationship. Sometimes not answering the phone simply means you’re busy, it doesn’t usually mean your dead.
That is, if you believe he was not involved.
There was no apple cart. He called the police to tell them he was going to break in, so it’s like police have it on record before he goes in which would be via the fence (supposedly) and not a smashed door. Very planned indeed.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Vids credibility is going to be burnt to ash in a court-room and between that, and the poorly processed crime scene, that is what’s preventing Saanich from going to court with this!
If i’m wrong, then l can’t see the real reason!
That’s my best guess!
Margaret,
I think that a high number of people are trying to create assassins! It takes a special kind of person to carry out orders like this! You don’t just send a hockey jock, home developer, or Real Estate Broker to kill an aspiring 24 year old Real Estate Agent! What if they got cold feet or decided that they couldn’t do it?
This is someone who’s wired a certain way, thus the woman almost backing out which is the eeriest detail of this case! Because she knew what this was about! They were going over there to take away a 24 year old girls hopes and dreams and promise for the future! However first, they were going to greet her, give them their hand and then listen as the door to the house open and closed behind them! They ended Lindsays life!!! It isn’t just, anyone, who’s capable of this! These people epitmize the words “EVIL” and “LOW LIFE”! They’re worth NOTHING!!!
Greg,
Before l venture any further, l first want to say that l don’t like Jason Zailo, don’t approve of him, and l believe that he let Lindsay down, Jeff down, Sarah down, and sumbitch by way of letting poor Lindsay down, even let me as a man down!
Now, if Cohen were part of the set up, then Jason would have had to have un-matched, un-rivalled certainty in his own powers of persuasion! I.E.- What if he’d called Cohen, and Cohen had declined stating that “There’s a fight going on over here and l can’t get away tonight”? Zailo would then have been in a hellacious position following Lindsays murder!
Further, he passed a polygraph test! Do you really, really, believe, that this hockey putz has the skill, wherewithal, genius what have you, that it takes, to scam a seasoned polygrapher? Really? I’ll tell you a damn thing here! I don’t think that Zailo could scam a 4th grade school teacher, much less, the cops!!!
He’s being made out to be James Bond when he’s not even Anne of Green Gables!
I personally believe that my intellectual acumen far out weighs either/or any of The Zailos and l don’t think l could beat the damn box!
The couple who did this, who brought about this nightmare and made it pulse and breathe are a unique brand of wicked and evil! They spoke to Lindsay on the phone, looked her in the eye, shook her hand, and followed her into that house and used a knife on her! Do l think that Jason Zailo is an asshole? YES! Do l think he’s negligent, careless and stupid? YES! Do l think that he has what it takes to take part in this and then side-step its consequences and then live with the knowledge that he partook in it? NO!!!
You have to be pure evil to scale the wall that Lindsays killers scaled in order to go through with this!
Zailo is a fuckin hockey puck!!!
Now Shirley Zailo? I don’t know if she had a hand in this plot or not, but the fact that she’s trying to make some poor frightened girls think that she did, leads me to believe that she didn’t!
Jeff said that she insisted on those scared girls going to lunch or Coffee with herjust so that she could, to use kayfabe “Work the gimmicks” with them and “Check me out! Ain’t l a bad-ass”? Well, im sorry hunny, but you’re not going to sell me that happy fuckin horse shit! People who are BAD don’t have to tell everybody how fuckin bad they are!!! Please Shirley, say those words to me with the finger gesture one time!
Goodnight!!!
Hahaha. Love the comment and you definitely made some valid points. Goodnight Sir 🙂
If the couple weren’t involved, they would be witnesses.
Jaxz – I think they were involved, they just didn’t commit the murder. They were part of the set-up to make it look like a respectable couple looking to purchase a home.
Exactly
Really good point.
uh, theres no way at all in any way that that ‘couple’ wasnt involved and of course if they werent they for sure would make good witnesses, thanks captain obvious.
“You can be a person who just works and minds their own business in Victoria, yet through a very brief network of friends, you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in very bad things,” Horsley said.”
Sad but true. Probably the most truthful thing Horsley has said through out this “investigation”.
He speaks about himself as well. For example his close friendship and business relationship with Len Barrie and his ownership interest in night clubs in Victoria. Very odd for a cop to own night clubs and cavort in them as those are places all the drug dealers and sexual deviants frequent to ply their trade and strut their stuff. These same deviants were known to attend lavish drug fuelled parties on Bear Mountain. What the hell is a Saanich cop doing involved in these sorts of things and people off duty then pointing the finger at Lindsay? Just more victimizing a victim and distracting from the fact murder is against the law and Saanich police are not capable of solving a murder nor enforcing the law which is their sworn duty. Typical of the millionaire party boy Saanich cop to say such stupid insulting things and make reference to when a young woman is senselessly and savagely murdered while at work. Disgusting! What else is he distracting everyone from? Which side is he on? Who is he protecting? Not Lindsay. Not the community (no arrests, charges or suspects named) Not young women and he has a daughter nearing Lindsay’s age when she was viciously executed by people he continues to protect. Please think about that!
Jeff,
This may be vested interest! One has to wonder if there are suppliers within Vids circle that Hoarsely needs to serve his own ends! Most clubs have in house dealers that are known to the owners who are paid off or spiffed broadly to let them set up!
I swung over to Shirleys Facebook page! It looks like a cover photo for a sequel to Spellbinder! She, Ryan, and her boyfriend wreak of the occult as a grill man wreaks of bacon and eggs at 9:00 in the morning!
Hoarsely is bullyish! I can imagine a scenario where seclusion from the public eye and fresh liquor on his breath may make him seem menacing!
It only recently came to my attention that Lindsay conveyed to Shirley that she was thinking about Matt a week prior to her murder! I think Lindsay was hitting out at her and Shirley saw it as an agenda!
Had l known Lindsay before any of this, and had l had the opportunity to speak to Lindsay before her conversation with Shirley, l would have told her this, verbatum “Don’t do it! As soon as she finds a hammer and some nails she’ll be looking to crucify you! Abort mission”!
It certainly gives Shirley a motive, and if, if, she has a hand in this oven then it’s likely via Rianne Gracia, because it isn’t via Vid”The Skid”!
I’ve always viewed Shirley as someone who wants the world to view her as the femme fatale version of Tony Montana!
Please forgive my inherent tendency toward verbosity! It’s plugged and fused genetically into my brain! It isn’t optional!
If you want to know who the designated dealer is in the club, buy a drink and keep an eye on the guy who’s sitting there chatting to the bar-keep all night! Watch who’s making trips to the mens room with different people all night or out the back door!
I’m honored to help Lindsay! I think that both she and Sarah are adorable!
Somehow, l don’t think i’ll ever say the same of you…. Ha, hah, ha!!!!
Goodnight!!!
⚠️(This is just a theory)⚠️
First: The criminal knows what the girl’s fiancé looks like, and when she saw him, she entered the house again.
Second:Jason’s mission, as if he was intentional, that he has a strong alibi and that he stays in a place with a witness with him because it does not make sense. All of this is a coincidence and that he is given a date and appointments.
Third: She said to her father that Jason is coming with her, so her father is reassuring, and he said OK, but why did he leave her at once, and this appointment came out of nowhere because she did not have a biography of her father at all?
Fourth: If I was communicating with someone,I would first send him that I finished the meeting and say I am on the way to come and I will not send the massage when I arrive and say I am here? ??? Plus why did he wait 20 min is it like him giving the murderers a sign or maybe waiting them to finish up their work and run away from the back door, and Why would he send his friend around the house? If my lover. I would run inside the house like crazy and not send my friend! I will not think of anything but he was so arranged in a way that does not make sense. He calls twice before entering the house, ok but why didn’t he enter though??
Fifthly, her father said that she knew something about drug dealers. She might have been with them, sharing, for her to take off, or someone who was involved with him. What is the dilemma of Jason and this is how I doubt that he knows something?
Sixth: Her personal number that she answered was very, very close to her
Seventh: She accepted the topic when Jason said he was coming with her
Jason has a big mystery and he knows something
Eighth: The woman, when She spoke to her, told her that she wanted a house in an area of hers, and she specified the house she wanted, and I bet you if they return to the number of houses, they will find that this is the only house that was with this amount, because the one who committed the crime was very accurate. He did all of the work up stares because nobody would notice but if they did Thierry crime down stares it would be so obvious because the ground floor is all window glassed , plus Jason works For real states so he has a cover about what houses are about ..From this story
The call of his mother is this. She says between being awake and sleeping, I mean, we will not consider her words for sure, but if she had called the victim, she would have known her voice. This is her mother-in-law.
God knows
From the over jealousy of Jason..Maybe he knew about the issue of the messages between her and the guy of prohibited medicines, and his mother helped in the matter and wore a wig and it became because there was also no traces of any hair on her..and so how do they get her private number. Definitely from people they know.
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I don’t believe that the couple were the killers. I think the killer was already in the home waiting. I also think that Desousa, home owner/builder, was involved (missing planks in the fence as an escape route, and access to the home) being a friend of Shirley. Those involved could have visited the home, familiarized themselves with the layout and left what was needed to get rid of the bloody clothing etc. I think the man outside the front door (or the shadows behind the glass) when Jason arrived was a signal that the deed was done and that he should shortly move his car after giving the killers time to escape and begin his pretend rescue of Lindsay. He provided alibis for his entire family — seen on video with his friend at SHC, called his brother for directions, texted Lindsay needlessly on the way there and called his mother for the access code to the garage. I think this is a criminal family with criminal connections that carried out this well planned murder.
Margaret, I “second” your input, exactly how it happened, is also my believes. And there is much more….
The killers were confident that no one would happen to stumble upon them at the house. That means a lot.
PandaBear – Yes, and too many coincidences and connections to the Zailo family for this house to be randomly selected for showing.
You got it Margaret. I totally agree with you. I’ll
Eml your comment to the Chief of Police and Premier of B.C.
I believe you are correct in your assumption…..
The builder had NOTHING to do with the murder, the fence slats couldve been taken out by anyone. ITS THE BF AND HIS MOM. he did it cause indsay was going to leave him, he helped her achieve he level in the company through nepotism, he got her breast implants, she could leave the company and any future home sales from previous clients would follow lindsay and the company would lose out on big time commissions. i mean the bf and the friend were in cahoots and thats why they were meeting in the first place before going to see lindsay and they were doing that in case something went awry with the murder. its all about power/money/jealousy/rejection.
I do not believe any local people was involved, if so they would have been arrested many years ago. THIS HAS TO BE OUTSIDERS, LIKE FOREIGN NATIONALS , likely South Americans
So sad, a beautiful, obviously a brilliant young lady with her whole life ahead of her. I never had the pleasure of meeting her but heard many lovely things about this lovely young lady. I feel for her family and I hope they get the closure they deserve. Nothing will bring back their Lindsay but at least they would know who the sickos are and know they will spend the rest of their life in jail. Someone must know something and should step forward.
Personally I think it was someone who was very jealous of Lindsay, hate to say it but likely another woman, maybe something to do with a guy but maybe not, maybe jealous of her success and beauty. . Could have been a guy who was in love with Lindsay and scorned as felt rejected or knew she didn’t like him. Maybe the guy who was infatuated, planned with a sister or friend. Another thought maybe killers girlfriend or a girl who was in love with the killer who was jealous and planned with a close friend or relative. Some say the bf and mom but jeez that would be very risky on their part in my mind. I don’t personally think they could be so angry and evil. I don’t know them though personally. I know of them but by the looks of them they don’t strike me as murderers and pretty sure if was or they had something to do with it, something would have come out by now. I can’t put wrap my head around it all, but just the way she was murdered makes me think the person or persons that did it were obviously not right in the head, very jealous, or mad and very sadistic. “Sicko’s” My only other thought is maybe the killer thought Lindsay knew something. I wish I was a private investigator as love to know and figure this out. One would think that the police would watch IP addresses and see who goes to her sites as they always say killers like to read about themselves or go back to the murder site. I am sure they must watch traffic to her sites. I would if I was an investigator. I also think if the house ever goes on the market again or if has the police should and have tracked all viewers because as said re: what I have read is killers like to go back to crime scene. I would never live in the house where she was killed, not sure who could ? Should been torn down and made into a beautiful small park full of flowers and tress with a beautiful statue or bench. City and real estate firm should have paid for this to happen in memory of Lindsay. I would have donated to see that happen.. I suppose though for her family they may not want the memory of the spot.
My heart really goes out to her family. I could not imagine how they felt and feel. Especially knowing these creeps (killers) are out there today which is scary for everyone. How these killers live with themselves is beyond me. Such a loss.
Whomever did this is an evil sick person and anyone that had anything to do with it is just as sick and evil.I hope they read all the comments and live in fear everyday. They will burn in hell that I do know and hopefully they already are..
RIP Lindsay, 😇 god has a beautiful special angel by his side. Try to give your dad a sign and/or point him /police in right direction to find these evil people. .
Michael – It was reported that Desousa admitted that he had removed the planks so that his painters could access their supplies when working on the property.
I find it odd that a meticulous builder, attempting to sell a million dollar home, would.not repair a broken fence (even temporarily) when the property was being shown. He left the outside lights on so he was aware of the appointment. It makes me wonder if he was being considerate or if that too was to assist the escape.
it doesnt sound broken, but temp opened up for access. but yes, sounds fishy.
Desousa admitted he had removed the slats so that the painters could access their supplies when working on the home.
I just find it odd that a meticulous builder, hoping to sell a million dollar property, would not fix the fence (if only temporarily) when the home was being shown. He was at the home earlier in the day, and apparently left the outside lights on, so he was aware of the appointment.
Which makes me wonder if he was being considerate or if the lighting was another aid to the escape.
I don’t disagree with you about who planned this and why, but I believe that more people were involved than Shirley, Jason and the couple who met with Lindsay and that prior access to the home was crucial to pulling this off.
If the couple weren’t involved, they would be witnesses.
I think the couple were the killers. It stretches imagination to think a killer waited in the dark on the chance he wouldn’t be detected and hoping that Lindsay wouldn’t leave with the couple. Besides, it’s more likely that innocent home buyers would have come forward and identified themselves after all the publicity and questions about them – if they were innocent.
Yes, you can be sure that the real killer was waiting in the bathroom of the master bedroom, the buyers was holding the victim from the back, the victim had absolutely no way of fighting back, being stabbed by someone from the front…..
I didn’t mean to imply that the couple were innocent. I believe they were part of the set-up posing as a respectable couple looking to purchase a home and that someone else was already inside. I don’t know who killed Lindsay, but I believe that more than two people were involved and that prior access to the home was necessary to pull this off.
That police sketch is sadly the worst I’ve ever seen. Total incompetence. I wonder if they had a trained sketch artist doing the eye witness interview how much better the outcome would have been.
Her boyfriend Jason went into the house and immediately ran upstairs into the master bedroom and found her!!
How come he didn’t search the downstairs first? He knew exactly where to find her.
Second In his only interview given to the media he indicated that he knew she was dead because she was cold. Impossible because a body takes a minimum of 6 – 12 hrs to get “cold”. Note: he didn’t say I knew she was dead because of all the blood, or because of the number of injuries of because I couldn’t get a pulse, or because she wasn’t breathing or because I couldn’t wake her up!! He says that he knew she was dead because she was cold!!! As a physician I can tell you that it is difficult to pronounce someone dead even if you can’t feel a pulse. I’ve had patients survive a resuscitation after massive blood loss, despite not being able to find a pulse. People don’t get cold in 30 minutes!!!
Very good point!
That printed dress the supposedly RE woman had on is another clue. Yes, it was popular at that time, however, I still believe there’s a chance the purchaser could be tracked down.
How much would those dresses cost? I don’t think they would be expensive.
It’s quite possible that this was a set up.
Excellent point Doctor. Thanks for taking the time to add valuable insight.
I’ve been interested in this case getting solved since I heard about it. I most certainly hope the family can get answers one day before passing on. I had a friend who was murdered by a serial killer. This was not known though until 28 years later. Her parents passed away without ever knowing what happened to their daughter. They never had closure. I do hope Lindsey’s family will get the truth of who murdered Lindsey and will see justice served.
CeCe Moore is a Genetic Detective who may help in this case. Her talents were shown on ABC show called The Genetic Detective. It was just mind blowing what she could find and her team in solving cold cases. It wasn’t what she started out doing. I would seriously try and get her to help soling the case.
Jacquelyn – Jeff, Lindsay’s father, has mentioned on another forum that the Private Investigator hired by him was threatened by the SPD that they would put him out of business if he continued his investigation, so I doubt they would welcome anyone else assisting in the case. Hopefully, with the FBI now involved progress can be made. I hope that the criminals are shaking in their boots knowing that the case is being looked at with fresh eyes
thanks to Lindsay’s Dad soldiering on and public outrage that 13 years on this case has gone nowhere.
Gee, Margaret, that is something. I know time will unravel this case. Fresh eyes will hopefully help. Someone has to know something. I just watched a program on Dateline or People Magazine investigates where there was genetic geneology used to solve an old case. It was fascinating. I think eventually, this case will be solved. I certainly hope so…this dad needs closure! More and more are using this technology now to solve cold cases.
Thanks for your feedback.
The amount of time already wasted is not acceptable and merely an excuse for shoddy police work. Eventually is not an acceptable timeline. It is used by and to support useless police. All citizens need this solved Now! Women need this solved now and we all need to pressure politicians and police to make arrests happen now and quit making excuses for why it isn’t happening NOW!
I just watched this program the other night on cable. There was one thing that stood out for me,
and I wondered if anyone is looking into this part. It’s the dress that supposedly the woman who met up with Lindsay wore.
It’s such an unusual dress. Maybe a designer dress? How many dresses with this design existed at that time? It’s just so unusual from my prospective.
God Bless you and your family for your courage and relentless pursuit of finding out who killed Lindsay.
In 2008 it was not unusual to find dresses like that at Sears and the Bay. Those are called colour block dresses. The big bold patterns were in style.
Then, maybe that’s a start. Thank you for your information regarding this design.
SZ loves that style of dress too. She is seen in a few pictures with very similar pattern and style, and material. I think the designer is Joseph Ribcoff, a Canadian designer. Google his clothes and google SZ and you will see what I mean. Bizarre that it’s a SZ style! Just one of many coincidences. A store called Suzanne’s carried his stuff and yes there a few of those stores in Victoria. I think they have have changed the name of the store since 2008. Amazing what ya can find out when you try isn’t it. To bad the Village Police (SPD) can’t figure out fk all. They are just so lame. Boy it’s a absolute shame that they don’t have more accountability. They get away with MURDER in SPD don’t they. Wake the FK up Chief Green, Premier Horgan, Mike Farnsworth, David Eby. The wolves in cheap clothing are making you guys look like fools. No wonder people say fuck it to voting, what’s the point?
Wouldn’t the perp wear a way less colorful and less-noticeable dress/outfit? Almost as if worn on purpose to draw attention.
The colorful dress worn was to get attention to the outfit and not the face or anything else of the person – colorful dress drawn to the outfit not looking at the person
I had thought that the person in sketch had borrowed or someone gave her that clothing to wear. I remember thinking back when saw the skirt or dress not too long after the murder. That dress or skirt seemed dated to me at that time. I figured maybe an older lady that wore that designer and had a lot of it in prior years, gave away the dress to the lady in sketch. Likely hired someone and said you have to dress up classy or nice. LOL!! Would not say that was classy or nice. Dated!! Would be interesting to know what guy was wearing as maybe that was given to him too.
I also thought would be easy to check into Shirley having a lot of that clothing re: that brand or the dress itself in past. I remember the ladies who wore Joseph Ribcoff bought and wore a lot of it in it’s day. They thought cats meow at one time. I knew the brand the minute I saw the sketch because I remember so many ladies older than me that were realtors, professionals, worked in offices, wore the brand.
I know brand still around and more stylish now but they tended to do a lot of the same stuff for years and did not grow with the times right away. Hit and a miss after the late 80’s and 90’s. Hey it would not be that hard to figure out if Shirley had worn that skirt or dress years prior. A hard dress or skirt to forget even if 10 to 20 years later. Loud is more like it and ugly in my mind.
Another thing, I would hope the police can somehow keep track of everyone that visits these sites. Trace IP address. They say murderers like to visit murder sites and read what is being read. Surely they must go read sites like this and other social media sites. See what is being said!
Another thought I had was a jealous woman, maybe another realtor who was in fact very jealous of Lindsay’s success, beauty and popularity. Or a woman who’s boyfriend or husband had a big crush on Lindsay. Some woman and men get very competitive and jealous. Especially in sales and the real estate business.
Maybe some woman got her brother or someone that did everything for her type thing. Or maybe it was a guy that really liked Lindsay and Lindsay did not have time of day for him. He may have had a jealous girlfriend who liked the guy that liked Lindsay and bingo, decide to hurt her (murder). Reason I think someone angry or jealous is the number of stabbings. A paid killer would likely just do an efficient quick kill. Almost like someone was trying to make a point. Anger!!!!
My question is how do this murderer or murderers live with themselves?
One more thought I had. It is said that Greg Martell was friends with Jason Zailo and I thought with Jason that day or so I thought I read. There is a picture of Lindsay, Jason and Greg and one is holding a big knife in front of Lindsay I believe. What if the police were on to Greg or the group? Seems Greg is gone with 250 million & likely never coming back.
I don’t think Greg did it all himself re: ripping people off. Maybe the murders are all in it together and planned the con job re: the 250 million.
Why would you meet up for dinner with your friend if you just finished a late lunch at 424pm? To supply a witness.. I would check the “receptionist’s” connection with Jason.. Also , Jason’’s timing of calls .. too neat. I’d get.look over Mama’ and Jason’s financial records .. did a chunk of change go out?? I feel in my gut Jason is responsible.
YES, including Jason, also responsible in this plot to murder Lindsay.
Because he knew there’d be no dinner.
(Hi fellow Sonya!, love the name 😃)
The reports say that he met up with his friend but there’s no mention anywhere as far as I’m aware that he and his friend had planned to get food. I think you’ve misread that? His actions are a bit odd though, especially arriving at the property then leaving then coming back.
Two questions:
1. WHY was she worried and scared ?? Just because the “buyer” had a “Spanish” accent ??It sounds rather strange…
2. If he told her boyfriend she was scared, WHY was he LATE this particular time ?? WHY send messagges instead of calling her ?? WHY didnt he said “I Will be there in 5 minutes, wait outside the house, talk yo the buyer ??
It wasn’t the Spanish accent as you state. Lindsay felt the accent was phoney and put on by someone. She said it was kinda like Mexican but not the same.
If I remember correctly she was scared because she said that the Spanish accent sounded like it was fake and the call was to her personal phone and not her work phone. There were ten calls from this person to her personal phone in total before the ‘viewing’ according to other reports.
Yaaassss that’s soooo weird!! If she was scared or felt something weird was going on an expressed that to Jason why would was he so nonchalant about everything !!
What about Jason’s mother? What was her alibi? Maybe she offered Lindsay up to get out of any drug deals she had with the Mexicans and planned the murder with Jason. Planning every detail from the text saying “I’m a minute or two away” letting the mom know the cops would be there soon….
I agree with this comment 100%!
I had a strange 6th sense when watching this story on youtube; jealousy is a powerful thing. Lindsey’s boyfriend is a good looking guy. His ex girlfriend may really be upset that lindsay was living her life. This sounds like a woman scorned scenario to me. A hired hit to get lindsey out of the picture, & the woman was there to make lindsey feel secure, plus she wanted to see her killed. So sad for lindsay’s family. God bless you. A beautiful, talented, wonderful young career woman whose life was taken way too soon.
Her 2 weeks worth of social online messages were deleted. Who has access to that? Her boyfriend – no. 1 suspect.
Cell phone records of texts and calls can be retrieved from cell phone provider and im sure LE has all that info, if they dont they havent done a good job, but they must since they know what texts were sent day of incident.
They know who one of the conspirators was and kept it from the public. It’s beyond me why that person was not arrested.
I think they want the known person to ‘trip up’ and reveal who the co-conspirator is. If they jailed the known one then there’s probably no chance that this person would admit who the other one is?
Are there cell tower records still, to see if boyfriends phone pinged off of same towers?
Why did he wait outside when he arrived and then call 911 before they found her body.
I think her boy friend is responsible.
I agree with Susan -contact the contact the U.S. show Cold Case —see if there is interest to review case — that team might be able to help -that and the DNA with Paul Holes -if there is any DNA from the scene Paul holes might be able to help.
I agree with this comment absolutely & these “detectives” are likely being paid off as well. This is a very common exchange made by police and informants, inmates and business people – yes even in small Canadian cities – yes, not just in the movies!!
This is the the thing that I was thinking. It seems so fishy that the bf called 911 before he went in, Also why is he late when she was scared of the situation.
I just watched the Dateline show. What a sad case! Has anyone thought of contacting Kelly Seigler (spelling?) who does the “Cold Justice” TV show? Her team seems to solve so many cold cases. I also have questions and would consider the boyfriend and his friend who just happened to know there would be an open back door over the fence…and the boyfriend’s mother. I really hope it’s NOT them, but it feels all wrong. I’m praying for this to be solved, for Lindsey’s father, her family and friends.
If I’m selling a million dollar house and someone is murdered in it, I’m facing a nightmare trying to sell it with huge overheads.
Detectives say its crime of passion but a crime of passion can be imitated.
Was this poor girl a pawn in a play to ruin the Vendor?
I have theorized the same thing and posted it for the last 2 years. It is the only angle that makes sense. If it were the ex or his mother, they would have been charged long ago.
Not if they dont have enough evidence. You really think someone is going to do that for a house and have it all bloody? Cmon, think, for real, think hard. And why stab her that many times if only for a house. That man stab wounds was personal and was told to the killers to make it personal. I can say same thing, why hasnt builder been arrested?
No! The builder/contractor (Desousa) who invited Lindsay into the home to be murdered now owns/lives in the killing house. Probably because no one would buy it with that history attached… I know I sure wouldn’t.
They would have been charged long ago!? Even in cases with tons of evidence pointing to a particular person, its hard to get charges against them. There is literally zero evidence that it was the mom and boyfriend, just speculation, and police only have one good chance to get someone convicted, they arent going to charge someone on speculation.
Circumstantial. Not speculation. Plenty of evidence we are not aware of as the Stupid Police are corrupt and dirty and they need to cover their dirty butts with “evidence” we are not privy so I would suggest there’s PLENTY of evidence, just needs to be in the hands of CLEAN authorities.
You dont know that, might need that one or two more pieces. It just makes more sense to me for her soon to be ex to kill her than for a house. The killers knew who to use for a reference, that by itself tells me it was an ‘inside the real estate office job’.
Kinda like cutting off your nose despite your face, don’t ya think? We are dealing with corrupt and dirty cops here, so I don’t understand what part of that we don’t get? One or two more pieces are simply the straw that will crack this corruption wide open. They have the Evidence, circumstantial or direct, it’s as obvious as the nose on one’s face. But when the police are corrupt and dirty than good luck cracking that case, they will be as secretive and coverup as deep as they can get. This case is a classic case of corruption and dirty cops. Doesn’t get any worse, except for the killing they are covering up.
Cases dont get solved for years sometimes because lazy cops sit and wait for the last 1-2 pieces of evidence falls in their lap. I dont know if the cops are corrupt or not or even inept. Sometimes crimes go unsolved, these were professionals and thats why they were hired, and so far looks like they did fairly well. I think the ferry is where the cops need to look.
There isn’t a realtor on the Island or Lower Mainland of BC that would murder over a mere $1mil house sale – not in the past 30 years. The real estate market in Victoria…$1mil is the starting price for a basic older home in a suburban neighbourhood (in 2008 it might have been more like $700k) because the market is very inflated on the Island/Lower Mainland compared to most of BC (aside from the Okanagan or holiday homes). The house that Lindsay was killed in is currently assessed at $1.2mil and the median price is $900k. The neighbourhood is located next to the University of Victoria campus as well as schools and amenities which drives up price but a comparable house located further away is assessed at $760k (Swan Lake neighbourhood).
If it was i that pulled up in the car and sow someone leaving the house my girlfriend was in Ali would’ve chased that person down or at least ran into the house to see if she was okay instead of waiting in 4he car for what 10 minutes times two messaging her asking if she’s okay. Something seems to be up with that
I have written to Jeff Buziak and seen all of John Lordan’s podcast suuounding this heiness slaughter and let’s call it what it is this was a vicious, vile execution of a beautiful woman who was only in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jeff if you sre reading this, Nicholas Pansini says KEEP FIGHTING man. Who else is going to fight for Lyndsey? I am disgusted at this killing by the nature of it is ruthless. I also believe Jason Zilo and his mother are involved in this slaying. I feel for Jeff with all my heart. You have a fiend for LIFE!
after watching the episode of true crime daily i would like to propose a very different MOTIVE, not involving drugs, hit men or the boyfriend. i believe this investigation is looking in the wrong direction. what i believe is this: IT WAS A THRILL KILL…simply a couple who just wanted to kill someone. one reason i say this is because he was stabbed. a criminal profiler will tell you that this is a very PERSONAL form of murder. also, because there was a couple involved and both seemed to have stabbed her, so they were joined in this murder. thats a very personal thing also. the amount of planning would also seem to indicate this possibility. from what i heard, the burner phone was purchased BEFORE the drug deal, etc.
i would also point out that there are OTHER cases of real estate agents being attacked this way. i saw one such episode somewhere. IF SO, then the thrill killers would likely know those episodes [or that episode]. also, even burner phones ping off of cell towers….THAT is traceable for location of a call.
with this theory in mind i would suggest an INDEPENDENT “profiler” who can give a more detailed analysis of WHO the people were, based upon the events.
i would also suggest a GOOD QUALITY private investigator to look into this in addition to the police. this PI should have a military or government background and a long history of CSI investigations. these [military, government and past PI work] give the investigator resources that the police do not have access to and rights that police do not have.
a thrill killer would likely have a previous OTHER criminal record, of some type. a woman might be easier to locate than a man since there are fewer of them. the car would be another identifiable factor, though that was probably planned for in advance.
this theory seems to be MORE possible than making connections with drug dealers and hit men, etc. [to me]. please feel free to contact me for any clarification on what ive said here. Good luck in finding the killers. they are out there.
I just think too much happened around the real estate office and the bf was too involved at the time of the actual murder, i think he was there in case something went wrong, same with bringing his friend. and the interview with the bf and his mom was beyond awkward. i still think the bf and mom had lindsay killed because she was going to leave the bf and they felt they did a lot for her in the industry and she was going to take clients with her if she went other agency or if she stayed the bf would have to see her everyday and not being able to have her would make him very upset. for me, too many things point to the bf, his mom and the office. with your theory how would they know which clients to use as a reference – that tells me it was an inside job.
I would agree with your theory if the killers didn’t tell her that they got her number from a previous client and provided that clients name (which was accurate). And this client was out of town when she tried to verify this. How would a random thrill killer know this? That’s what makes me think it was someone very close to her that orchestrated this.
It was most likely the boyfriend. It’s almost always the person closest to the victim. No other cars seen except for his. He and his buddy called the cops themselves once the place was clean enough and basically gave a reason for why their car was there. That way when witnesses recalled seeing it, it wouldn’t seem like he and his buddy were there to commit the crime, only report it. They were also the only ones who claim to have seen a mysterious man… But only his back of course.
And yeah he’s probably seen Dexter like everyone else… Mystery solved guys. Just because someone is capable of taking the time to plan before commiting a risky crime doesn’t mean there’s a super convoluted explanation… Think about it, I know it’s not nearly as mysterious or juicy but it makes the most sense. I think like 9/10 times a killing is commited, especially in such a brutal and personal way it’s someone with close ties to the victim, like a bf. You never know what their relationship was like. Perhaps he found out she was cheating or planning to leave him and retaliated. Or he knew about a large sum of money she kept stashed away and wanted it for himself… Who knows. Police definitely should have investigated him instead of assuming it was some super untraceable hitman.
She must’ve seen something drug related and it had to have been extremely horrible.. Im thinking a cop may have been involved with this drug ring. It doesn’t make sense they won’t release files unless they KNOW there is a tie to whoever did this in there. If a cop told her to keep her mouth shut that explains why she wouldn’t tell her dad right away, because she knows her dad would absolutely call the police and she was probably scared. drugs, police, and hitmen are all sounding involved in this case. This dad deserves justice for his baby girl. KEEP FIGHTING! Keep this case alive!!! This won’t go away until there are answers!
Good analysis Kay. It makes perfect sense to assume what you just wrote and I just hopw Jeff gets the justice he so rightly deserves for Lyndsey. This murder was so viscious that whoever these “couple” were are so evil and capable of doing anything that it makes me scared thinking about this whole thing. And they deseve to rot in prison for life! Stabbing someone 40 times is capable of almost anything when you think about it. And just because someone has money or clout like a police man (if one did this horrible thing) can escape justice and derail the attention on them and onto someone who had nothing to do with this crime. And Lyndsey saw something that scared her as she reveiled to her father. Sannich police needs to get off their ass and solve this murder at once but I don’t think they are gonna do that if 12 yrs past and still no arrect.
Anyone keeping tabs on Leo Baltran? Anyone know his whereabouts? His sister’s name? Why are people still talking about Jason Zailo when everyone knows who the killer is?
I think the friend arrested with drugs is the most likely connection. Someone related to that saw her with him and thought she knew something. I believe the said the burner phone was purchased close to the time she visited her father and made contact with that friend.
Who was the friend arrested for drugs?
The sketch is so weird. I think those witnesses should see a lineup of suspects wearing blonde wigs to see if they recognize anyone or at least photos of them. I am wondering if the police touched base with them once in a while and even got a new artist to make a sketch. Would they have released it? The eyes are small and with no browbone and the chin is very strong it seems and a flattened nose that sort of curves downwards.
Does anyone know the business and address attached to the burner phone? Police believe Paulo Rodriguez (name registered to burner phone) was a fake name but the business address attached was legitimate.
Please let me know.
BTW, do the names Jordan and Michelle ring a bell to anyone?
Faith
These two workers that stayed behind after Joe DeSousa left seem to be totally left out of the narrative. Someone laid out plastic wrap on that floor for the killers, they didn’t bring it themselves. Clean up was way too easy.
What about her ex-boyfriend? Did the police investigate him? I have so much questions. How is her old relationship? Try to clear these doubts and think it may give you a better idea to know about her death..
Silence – At first I thought the same thing, that the master bedroom was ‘prepared’ but the police believe that she was attacked from behind when she turned to show them the ensuite bathroom. If that is accurate, then she would have noticed what had been done to prepare the master bedroom for the attack. I guess the killer could have dressed in disposable hospital scrubs and that the couple were the clean-up team. If the builder or the workman were involved and allowed access to the home, there could possibly have been more than 3 people inside to make clean-up within 10-15 mins possible.
How in the heck did the couple get to the house? Did they not drive there? Are there no witnesses of the vehicle that the couple drove? You can easily toss a burner phone but a vehicle is a completely diff story.
Exactly, how did the couple get there? If they were viewing a million dollar home, I doubt they took the bus.
Are there no cameras in the area, from neighbors or close businesses which the police could view?
Also, Jason said when he arrived, the couple were coming out, then quickly turn around & went back inside?
He then parked at the side of the house & waited 20 minutes before going inside? How did the couple leave?
If they fled through the back door, how did they escape? Were they picked up, did they call a taxi?
Finally, Victoria is located on an Island, the burner phone was from Vancouver, if they were from the mainland the only way to return would be by ferry or plane, the cops should view more camera footage if still available, or paper trails. It is way too mysterious that no one saw, or there is no record of how this couple arrived, or left!
Also, for anyone selling their home, install a camera so you know protect your Realtor, as well as know who is coming & leaving your home.
Seeing how so many people in Victoria have ties to Vancouver as in friends, family, business, school, that it was easy to buy a burner phone on their way back to Victoria so not necessarily it’s someone going back to Vancouver. That burner phone is definitely traceable but the police aren’t doing their job properly.
The waiting is obviously a stall for time. The couple is the sign. They could’ve left from the front door or the garage side door even.
True about the burner phone. My main point though is, no matter where they left or came from, how did they escape without anyone seeing them? Were they picked up, did they simply get back in their car parked close by, did they call a taxi? There should be someone, or some cameras in the area that saw or caught something?
The prevailing theory is somebody took them there and parked behind the house in back of the fence that was kicked in.
Hey YO!!!
Sean, did l really hear you just say that you think that the killers got in a taxi? Chico, don’t you think that all that blood would have looked a little suspicious to a cab driver?
Like what if he said “Hey, where’d all that blood come from”? To which the killers might’ve replied “We just came from a re-enactment of The Simpson murders”!
“lf they fled through a back door then how did they escape”? Well, through your inquisitiveness l think that you might’ve answered your own question!
“Were they picked up”? Nope, they walked to wherever they were going covered in blood mindless of whether or not they encountered cops or cameras!
Thank you so much for your time!!!
In that house there is no 2
Already some one waited for her in that house
If any cctv footage is available in that area please check
However they can come by any mode of vehicle
Please check with his boyfriend whether he seen vehicle
I have been vested in this case for years now and keep racking my I. I have thought of something truly outside of the box but I feel I might be on to something.The house she was showing I feel there is WAY more to this particular house.I have always found it so unusual no one ever saw a vehicle or how the murderers fled the scene.I feel as if there were a total of 3 ( gut feeling) What if they did not need to flee the scene because they actually NEVER LEFT!! Think about it? This particular builder who said “, the Bitch got what she deserved” is linked to the devil herself. The crime scene shows no traces of blood which is unheard of and takes serious planning. Think about how convenient it would be to have a hidden access room / possibly tunnel custom-built into this home and when the murder is committed the murderers are secure in a trap door /area/hidden room ( possible tunnel* The burner phone can be with them and turned off and discarded soon after. The area was under construction at the time and I believe there was only one other completed home. The occupants of the completed home we’re the ones that witnessed Lindsay with the couple in the driveway. I referenced *tunnel because when Jason’s mom appeared on the scene on foot within 30 mins while living 30 min away it all came together for me They are all CLOSE.The builder came by around 5 p.m. but I bet you it was not to turn lights on.The slats missing out of the fence in some way shape or form are linked it leaves a way to get in and out thru the back of the home undetected.I am sure the guilty parties we’re in communication until the coast was clear and the scene was cleared because the absolute last thing that police and detectives are going to assume is for the murderers to be remotely close by to the scene of a major crime they just committed. My heart breaks for Lindsay”s dad and he deserves justice and some sense of peace!!
The only glaring problem with that theory is the clients (suspects) did not pick the house that was shown to them, Lindsay did. She could have chosen any other house just as easily that fit the number of bedrooms and bathrooms and been in an entirely different neighborhood, so I don’t think the house having secret passageways and whatnot is very believable. I mean, maybe if Jason’s mother was more tangled into it, perhaps it’s possible there was more guidance into the home shown, but I think that is very far-fetched.
WRONG, Lindsay did not pick the house, her BF stated to her, that would be a great house for her clients, the Mexicans. AND for Amber LaManna, there was no tunnel. My Theory: The hole in the fence was a planed act, removed so the real murderer could enter the house, to be waiting in the bathroom of the master bedroom. There was a “holding house” near by the murder house, where the clients (Mexicans) and the murderer met. From there the clients (Mexicans) walked to the DeSousa Pl and met Lindsay, the murderer went from the same “holding house” and crawled through the hole in the fence at the murder house to be.. When BF seen the back of the client (Mexicans) body on DeSousa Pl, that was the signal murder was completed and to move his car, AFTER 10 MINUTES, to the side of the murder house on the main street, close to the hole in the fence, to allow time for the clients and the murderer to escape, back to the “holding House”, through the hole in the fence.
And THEN, 10 minutes past, BF car parked on main St next to murder house and hole in the fence, for BF to ask CO to jump fence and open sliding door to the murder house. Then let BF in from the front door, discovered the murdered Lindsay within seconds, after running up the stairs, walking firstly directly into the scene of the murder, the master bedroom. He imminently Called the cops.
Back at the holding house, the 3 of them was transported away, the Mexicans and the murderer.
FYI, the builder had a great reputation as as the best of the best builders and known for his details of completion. He would never leave a hole or loose planks in a fence, done by the murderer team in the planning.
30 minutes after the after the murder happened, Shirley Zailo was seen walking into DeSousa Pl.
Very soon, the murderer will face JUSTICE, in the courts of :LAW. AMEN
I just posted my theory (being moderated at the moment) which is very similar to yours in that the killer was already in the house. I hadn’t considered the ‘holding house’ but that is an excellent suggestion. I think DeSousa was involved and provided access to the home. He was known to be a stickler for details and an excellent builder. Unless you were providing an escape route through the fence, why wouldn’t you fix it prior to the showing of a million dollar home. He was at the home earlier and left the outside lights on so he was aware of the appointment. Jason provided alibis for his entire family and I agree that the figure outside the home (or the shadows behind the glass) was a signal that the deed was done and that Jason should begin his pretend rescue of Lindsay. It’s awful to think that this monster sat across from Lindsay at lunch knowing what was ahead.
A few thoughts
1, Since the police dont seem to be in any hurry to solve this, maybe one could assume there was police involvement or inside knowledge considering all the good detectives retired one day before this happened, as mentioned on brainscratch.
2. Ive heard mention there was no blood. Many people have seen dexter, he layed down plastic. Owner of house was there at 5 pm, maybe setting up the house getting things ready. leaving a change of clothing etc he could have also dropped off the killers who waited in the house, then came out at time of meeting acting as if they just got there. maybe he also knocked out the boards previously to give them a quick escape.
3. the ten minute intervals and rearrangings of car were maybe first ten minutes to get it done, next ten minutes to change clothes
How do I get in touch with the family? I have important u formation that can help.
Uh, why not go to police?
Press on the top, on lindsay buziak murder and then on that main page you will see the father’s email address.
What information, 12 years later!